From: Phil Jones To: Susan.Solomon@noaa.gov, Susan Solomon , Kevin Trenberth Subject: Re: After the FOD Date: Thu Jan 6 15:13:31 2005 Cc: martin.manning@noaa.gov Susan, Thanks for the quick reply. Kevin might have thoughts, but I'll give it some thought over the next few months. It isn't crucial till well after our second meeting. Kevin can relay our thoughts on references next week, and we can come up with specific suggestions here if these need to be discussed with WG2 and WG3 before all the second lead author meetings. I know we can reduce our number of references with more work, but I suspect we will be requested at the time of the FOD and SOD (and maybe the ZOD) to consider many others. A lot of NMSs, University Depts. and Research Institutes measure success as seeing their work cited by IPCC ! I reviewed KNMI this time last year and they did exactly this. This shouldn't be a measure, but we will likely be under pressure to cite many more papers for this reason. Cheers Phil At 13:58 06/01/2005, Susan Solomon wrote: Phil, Happy new year to you too. It's good to hear that your chapter is progressing well. I'll see Kevin next week at the AMS meeting and perhaps we can discuss its high points, along with the more basic issue of references, etc. You've raised a number of concerns that are always an issue not only for IPCC but also for other assessments and even for our own individual key papers at times. But you have made no suggestions as to how to deal with them. Could you please let me know if you have any suggestions to put forward? Thanks, Susan >> Susan, > Happy New Year ! > I'm working hard on the Chapter that Kevin has put sterling efforts on over > the Christmas break. It'll be with you by Jan 14, hopefully earlier. > > I've been talking to Keith Briffa here and there is a lot of email >traffic > from the skeptics about the last 1K years. Also Senator Inhofe's speech > from Jan 4 is doing the rounds. > > I know you've probably thought all this through, but there will be > a number of key issues in AR4. Likely candidates that I'm aware of > are the MSU issue (where we seem to be making some progress) > and the last 1K years (where we might be but as this is about paleo > it does take time). > > Well the issue is, once the FOD goes out to all -in say Sept/Oct 05 - > what will stop the drafts getting onto web sites, in the media etc - and > the whole thing blowing up then instead of being properly aired in 2007. > I know we won't have an SPM, but those that want will say - they are > only referring to papers that endorse their views and they are not > referring to scientists with contrary ones. AR4 will get a bad press > only half way through it's development. > > I know you will have phrases like 'draft only' and 'not for distribution' > but can we really police this. > > Once the ZOD is in, Kevin and me will be sending you some ideas > about referencing - formats, abbreviations, smaller fonts etc. We currently > have about 3 times what we allowed for (7 pages of 70). > > Cheers > Phil > > > >Prof. Phil Jones >Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 >School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 >University of East Anglia >Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk >NR4 7TJ >UK >---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > > Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------